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    American Baseball w/ Promotion-Relegation (Dry Run)

    Ok, so I have been wanting to run an alternative history of sorts with the idea being that baseball develops in a similar way to European Soccer for quite some time. I think I am finally ready to do a dry run of that and am going to post it here to a.) make myself hopefully stick with it and b.) gather any suggestions on how I can do things better.

    For the purposes of this dry run (and my general interests) I'm fudging/adjusting a few things.

    1. I'm ignoring travel concerns. I'm starting in 1871 with a team in San Francisco...and don't care.
    2. I'm using modern statistics/tendencies (2010 for this run). I want the stats to be uniform throughout history and just don't care much for dead-ball era things.

    Things I am trying to make at least somewhat accurate.

    1. Salaries. I am using modern contract styles, but am hoping to start with very low salaries with slight inflation each year until I get into modern times. This won't be perfect in that I am going to use more linear progression instead of real-life inflation numbers, but in general salaries will start out very small and get larger as time progresses.

    2. Market Growth. I put together a spreadsheet using census information for all of the Metropolitan and Micropolitan statistical areas and how they've grown over time since 1870. This isn't perfect as you will see some cities pop up before they probably should due to large geographical areas that weren't really "combined" in the 19th century...but figuring that part out would be much more difficult so it is what it is. Population areas get their first team at 200,000 and will get an additional team for each time they cross the a million. So, the New York metro area will eventually have about 20 teams. Those teams will then "fight" with each other for market share of that area. I can explain this more in a later post if anyone is interested.

    Other general details.

    - Leagues will be max 20 teams and will play 114 games (19 x 6 when full).
    - Trading will be allowed between leagues...they can occur during the offseason and during a 2-week window in July.
    - I will adjust market size as teams move up/down league levels (i.e. if a team is market size 8 in League 2, they will likely be more like a market size 3 if they get promoted to League 1). Market Size will be based on population compared to league average.
    - No minors. 26-man Roster with 26-man Reserve Roster
    - No drafts. All players will enter using the "International" Amateur FA Signings and Scouting Discoveries...both of which are maxed out. There will be an Independent League that does have a draft each year of much lower quality players. Its' purpose is to make sure there are enough players as the universe continually expands. "International Complex" will be used as Youth Academies...can carry as many as 100 players.
    - Attendance levels will start low with low stadium sizes, teams can increase their possible attendance max by filling their stadiums. Based on previous tests...85% of max attendance on the year will mean an increase for the next season.
    - All players will be American, just cleaner for my purposes. For a future version of this I hope to use a mod to make the states each their own country and include an "American Cup" type of tournament based on the World Cup.

    If you are curious about any other settings just ask!

    Here are the initial teams in 1871.

    League One (Team, Market Size in thousands, League Market Size)

    New York - 1006 - 13
    Brooklyn - 843 - 11
    Boston - 799 - 11
    Manhattan - 680 - 9
    Philadelphia - 658 - 9
    Chicago - 609 - 8
    St. Louis - 606 - 8
    Cincinnati - 545 - 7
    Pittsburgh - 542 - 7
    West Philadelphia - 533 - 7
    Baltimore - 444 - 6
    Washington - 404 - 5
    Albany - 341 - 4
    Providence - 328 - 4
    Rochester - 298 - 4
    Kansas City - 280 - 4
    Nashville - 280 - 4
    Columbus - 270 - 3
    Detroit - 270 - 3
    Louisville - 267 - 3

    League Two

    Atlanta - 262 - 8
    New Orleans - 249 - 7
    Indianapolis - 240 - 7
    Worcester - 234 - 7
    Buffalo - 233 - 7
    Syracuse - 225 - 6
    Richmond - 221 - 6
    Cleveland - 218 - 6
    San Francisco - 206 - 6
    Memphis - 189 - 5
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    With 10 teams in League two, there will be 2 teams from each league either Promoted or Relegated after 1871. I am going to be going quickly through this just to see if any major issues creep up, mostly just giving the league results...but would be happy to look closer at anything anyone is curious about.

    1871 started with an Inaugural Draft where teams drafted based on budgets I gave them that corresponded to their market size.

    Opening Day Payroll Range:

    League 1 - $21,866 (Pittsburgh) to $9,666 (Kansas City)
    League 2 - $9,056 (Worcester) to $4,827 (Cleveland)

    1871 Budget Range:

    League 1 - $55,000 (New York) to $15,000 (Columbus, Detroit, Louisville)
    League 2 - $14,000 (Atlanta) to $9,500 (Memphis)

    League One Results:


    League Two Results:

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    New Teams in 1872:

    Cambridge, MA (Boston metro area)
    Scranton, PA

    1872 Market Changes:

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    1872 Results

    League One:


    League Two:

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    1873: No new teams. In fact, there will not be another universe expansion until 1879.

    St. Louis getting relegated means lots of market adjustments.


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    1873 Results.


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    1874. I lied, we do have two new teams this season.

    Minneapolis, MN
    Allentown, PA

    Here are the 1874 Markets.


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    Wow, 54 homers in 114 games for Van Beck (Louisville)!

    Also wow: Allentown! My home town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagrims View Post
    Wow, 54 homers in 114 games for Van Beck (Louisville)!

    Also wow: Allentown! My home town.
    Van Beck is definitely a great story in the early going here. He was actually the 170th overall pick in the Inaugural Independent League draft and spent 1871 on an Independent team's reserve roster. Louisville somehow got wind of him and purchased his contract before 1872 and he hit .236/.347/.459 in 1872 at 22 to win the League 2 ROY. His 1873 split was .342/.427/.810. Louisville got promoted back to League One in 1874 where he hit .251/.360/.476 with 25 home runs. He signed a 5-year extension mid-season with Louisville that will keep him there through 1879 so long as they don't get relegated (at which point he could opt-out).

    Allentown is essentially representing Lehigh Valley, so I may change the team name in future versions...but they will stay Allentown here .

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    1874 Results.


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