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    Quote Originally Posted by skipaway View Post
    As I said, national service or something like that.
    I don't understand why this doesn't get talked about more. It's popular on both the left and the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UngratefulDead View Post
    notdola,

    I'm also curious about how you feel about my question re: education. Do you think those who harbor anti-immigration sentiment in the U.S. today are, in significant numbers, liable to change their opinions if they are educated about the realities of immigration's impacts?
    Long answer: yes.

    Short answer: I very largely agree with Mel. Part of the process of education here is not just reciting facts that it's very easy for the Hollis uncles of the world to dismiss as fake news, and is about integration. Obviously it's tricky territory to force that, but I'm for it in spite of the trickiness. There's other cultural factors that can play into it - popular TV shows about immigrants could help, like some kind of Salvadoran Will & Grace or Eritrean Ellen. But, glibness aside, I think people are generally not very set in their ways. This is also to your point about anti-immigration voices being overwhelmingly racist - I'd say that's true of the loudest ones, but just like we can't mistake the DSA Twitter as being a bigger movement than it is because of its Twitter presence, so too should we assume that a lot of people who are instinctively anti-immigration just aren't talking really publicly about why. And the real thing is, my experience has largely been that there isn't much behind why people have their opinions. Most people don't think very much about politics and, in a way, that's an opportunity.

    Also, Mel - yeah, I think Donald Trump is not coherent enough to be a real white nationalist. He's one of the people I'm taking about who doesn't think very much about this stuff.
    I understand that and fully understand that and I think we had a previous President who did not understand that but I understand that and we have spoken about this before.

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    Well, I hope you're right. Personally, I think nativism is going to get a lot worse everywhere. Refugees aren't going to get any fewer, Europe is just as heartless as us, and it seems likely the climate will eventually reach global crisis stage and further bring out the worst in humanity.
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    dola,

    Not to distract from this discussion, which I'm enjoying, but the President fucked a porn star while he was married and paid her $130,000 to keep quiet about it. Joke's on you, people who were saying he never has sex! And it only costs in the low six figures!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UngratefulDead View Post
    dola,

    Not to distract from this discussion, which I'm enjoying, but the President fucked a porn star while he was married and paid her $130,000 to keep quiet about it. Joke's on you, people who were saying he never has sex! And it only costs in the low six figures!
    My position is not that he's never fucked, just that he has not fucked in many, many years. This allegedly happened in 2006 so my theory is still safe!
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    Maybe she's the one who gave him the syphilis that's eating his brain? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
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    At this point it would be pretty surprising if he isn't being blackmailed by a half-dozen different people, Russian or otherwise. Also, is this really the first porn star in this Coen brothers farce? I'm shocked it took this long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UngratefulDead View Post
    At this point it would be pretty surprising if he isn't being blackmailed by a half-dozen different people, Russian or otherwise. Also, is this really the first porn star in this Coen brothers farce? I'm shocked it took this long.
    IIRC there was a rumor during the campaign that he’d hooked up with some Playboy model, but she refused to confirm it and the story died because of all the other crazy stuff that was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    One of my Trump uncles at work today informed me that California had passed a law that let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses and vote. I told him that was obvious bullshit and he insisted it was true. I looked it up and he was apparently referring to he so-called "sanctuary state" bill that makes it illegal for police to inquire about immigration status and limits communication between police and ICE. That's it. After informing him of this he still believed that California lets illegals vote now because "that's what I heard". So no, I don't think education is going to cut through the racism.
    That idea comes from a combination of two different laws, and it's what was behind the "1.4 million illegals voted in CA in the election" claim.

    https://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/

    It's true that undocumented people are allowed to get driver's licenses, and it's also true that there is a law that automatically registers eligible citizens to vote when obtaining a driver's license. It's the "eligible citizens" part of the second law that gets conveniently lost when you want to make a sensational claim about illegal voting.
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    This reminds me that my copy of the Wolff book is arriving today per Amazon. Hopefully I can spend some time reading about the Gorilla Channel and other such shenanigans before we record.
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