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    Talk Democratic Dysfunction

    So, this is the bad kind of partisanship.

    Depressingly, Democrats approve of the drone strikes on American citizens by 58-33, and even liberals approve of them, 55-35.
    Look, let's be honest, if Bush had claimed this power virtually every Democrat would be howling at the wind. To their credit, a lot of liberal activists, writers and journalists and fubes here are totally opposed, but what's with this polling? I support Obama generally, but a majority of liberals in favor of targeted assassinations of U.S. citizens with no due process or legal oversight whatsoever? Fuck the heck?
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    Yeah, I read that piece. It was depressing.

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    Yeah, it really, really sucks that we don't have an effing left wing party in this country. There is no way in Hell I or any other left-of-center type is going to vote Republican any time soon and the Democrats realize this and take that to mean that it's okay to be 5% less evil than the GOP. It's frustrating as all heck.

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    I'm doubtful we have a two-party system anymore. Two slightly different brands of the same corporate product. Stir as needed.

    Edit: Oh, and was the thread typo intentional?
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    partying partying yeah

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    And this morning we get bank bailout #2: the government is settling with all the big banks for $25 billion over mortgage/foreclosure fraud issues. Thanks, Obama, for getting us back maybe 5 cents on the dollar!

    EDIT: And of course, 5 cents on the dollar is and will always be just a wild guess, because you just gave them all immunity because you wanted to get some pittance back for the 99 percent to help your reelection effort! WOO! So glad you're such a raging socialist!
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    I have to say that a lot of the issues we're having with the housing crisis could be averted - although obviously not to the satisfaction of the banks - if people just walked away from these underwater loans. Okay, I know that owning your own house is the American Dream, and I know it sucks to move, but come on... at some point it's just a bad deal and you should be spending your money elsewhere. In fact, if enough people do it, you'll be able to repair your credit and buy a better house for cheaper in 5 years anyway.

    Actually if a lot of people did it that might have a bad effect on the economy somehow. I am not an economist so I have no idea. So people, please wait to do this until December!!!

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    That only makes sense if you're thinking of a house purely as an investment strategy. But it's not -- it's a product worth paying for. Anybody who finances buying a car is "underwater" the moment they drive it off the lot, but no one recommends walking away from those loans.

    People who owe more on their mortgages than their houses are "worth" (which is an inherently silly concept, since houses don't have a fixed or even a predictable selling value) may not ever receive any capital gains on their property, but they're still getting what is presumably a nice place in which they want to live (or why would they have bought it in the first place?) for a monthly cost that is very rarely going to be more than it would cost to rent the equivalent.
    Things can always be worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlyons View Post
    That only makes sense if you're thinking of a house purely as an investment strategy. But it's not -- it's a product worth paying for. Anybody who finances buying a car is "underwater" the moment they drive it off the lot, but no one recommends walking away from those loans.

    People who owe more on their mortgages than their houses are "worth" (which is an inherently silly concept, since houses don't have a fixed or even a predictable selling value) may not ever receive any capital gains on their property, but they're still getting what is presumably a nice place in which they want to live (or why would they have bought it in the first place?) for a monthly cost that is very rarely going to be more than it would cost to rent the equivalent.
    I think strategic defaulters often believe they can find the same house for less money. I don't know how likely that is with a foreclosure on your recent record, but it may still make sense to wait out a five year blackout if you think the market isn't going up any time soon.

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